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Mark Reads 'Eclipse': Chapter 8

In the eighth chapter of Eclipse, we find out that Jacob's friend Quil imprints on a two-year old. Two. TWO. We're still not told what imprinting actually is, but it's still reminiscent of rape. And there's an incestual subtext to it all. No lying. Then Bella goes home to Alice and Edward and the "SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS REALLY BAD" theme rears its ugly head again. AGAIN. Sigh. Intrigued? Then it's time for Mark to read Eclipse.

I am seriously just as tired as I imagine you all are of retreading the same topics and making the same rants. I am desperate for anything to change about this wretched series, yet I'm forced to repeat myself time and time again because this is all so maddening. Shall we?

CHAPTER 8: TEMPER

Oh god, this is going to be just WONDERFUL, isn't it? TEMPER. Just end my misery now.

Very quickly into chapter 8, we learn from Jacob that his buddy Quil, who only recently became a werewolf, has already imprinted on someone and it's controversial in the wolf camp. (A note before I continue: I know it's probably never crossed Meyer's head, but it bothers me that there isn't a single same sex relationship in this whole series. It's also not a possibility, according to imprinting myth, for a werewolf to imprint on a male. It can only happen with a female. There's a strong undertone to this that it's all about "biology" and "nature" and I'm willing to bet this doesn't stray far from what Meyer actually believes.)

So are we actually going to find out what imprinting is? Or why it's so controversial?

  • "You'll never get it right. See, Quil hasn't been hanging out with us, you know, until just recently. So he hadn't been around Emily's place much."

Oh lord. So he imprinted on Emily? AWKWARD.

  • "No! I told you not to guess!"

Shit. Sorry Jacob. What were you saying?

  • "Emily had her two nieces down for a visit...and Quil met Claire."

Oh. Ok. Nieces? So...they're young? Emily doesn't want them in a relationship with a werewolf? That makes sense, I guess.

  • "Would you please stop guessing? You're way off."

Jeez, dude. You won't give me the information upfront, so guessing is all I have. So what gives?

  • "Emily doesn't mind that part, it's just, well, a little early."

Oh lord. Early? HOW EARLY?

  • Jacob appraised me with narrowed eyes. "Try not to be judgmental, okay?"

Guarantee you that I'm now going to judge you, even if I wasn't going to, because that is a horrible thing to preface ANY statement with. "You promise not to be mad, right?" Not anymore, you asshole.

  • "Claire is two," Jacob told me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HOLY SHIT, WHAT? EXCUSE ME. WHAT?

Two years old????? He imprinted on a toddler?

Ok, breathe. Take a deep breath. Maybe you don't understand imprinting. Maybe it's not as bad as you think it is. Jacob, what is imprinting? You still haven't told us yet.

  • "I've seen what it's like, through his eyes. There's nothing romantic about it at all, not for Quil, not now."

Oh, it's precisely WORSE than what I thought it was. So if it's not romantic, what is it? A biological reaction?

  • "It's so hard to describe. It's not like love at first sight, really. It's more like...gravity moves. When you see her, suddenly it's not the earth holding you here anymore. She does. And nothing matters more than her. And you would do anything for her, be anything for her...You become whatever she needs you to be, whether that's a protector, or a lover, or a friend, or a brother."

I'm still confused as to what the actual process is and I have a feeling so does Meyer, but I've got a much clearer picture: it's like brain rape. 

No, seriously. It's a mental connection the male makes on a female without her consent. And that's the real key here: consent. At no point does the female ever really get a say on this. Once the male werewolf imprints, he's dedicated for life. (It's almost like a biological validation of stalking, isn't it? Oh, Meyer!)

What's that, Jacob? It's not like that?

  • "Quil will be the best, kindest big brother any kid ever had. There isn't a toddler on the planet that will be more carefully looked after than that little girl will be. And then, when she's older and needs a friend, he'll be more understanding, trustworthy, and reliable than anyone else she knows. And then, when she's grown up, they'll be as happy as Emily and Sam."

If I understand this correctly, that means any person who imprints on a female toddler will, in one single lifetime, be their brother, their best friend, and their lover. All of them. Possibly even in the same moment.

And remember! She doesn't get a choice about any of this. Right? Does Claire get a choice, Jacob?

  • "Of course. But why wouldn't she choose him, in the end? He'll be her perfect match. Like he was designed for her alone."

Ah, the wonderful world of determinism. It struck me as deliberately odd that Meyer would ever include something like this, considering that Mormons emphatically reject determinism. (Except casual determinism, but that's not represented here.) The problem, of course, is that this process, again, removes the female choice. Jacob SAYS there is a choice present, but then immediately berates anyone who might consider choosing a life outside of imprinting. 

No, let's elaborate on this just a little more, because it's deeply disturbing to me. Imagine meeting someone who, ostensibly, might be attractive, but is devoted to your every move and, ostensibly, probably follows you around. How would they explain this to you? What if they're attractive but you're not into them emotionally? Or wait...would you even be able to control that? Would your own emotions be controlled by another dude?

THIS IS SO BIZARRE AND WEIRD TO ME. WHAT THE FUCK, STEPHENIE MEYER. 

So then somehow the conversation moves to Bella being turned into a vampire and Jacob gets so mad he almost turns into a werewolf. He doesn't, though, and it's just another moment for Meyer to write about men displaying the masculinity. I don't even want to write about it anymore because it's so annoying, so we're moving on. 

It's mostly because there's another reoccurring theme to deal with: Bella forgetting to be mad at Edward because he's ~*so beautiful*~.

  • And I didn't care that I was supposed to be angry with him. I didn't care that I was supposed to be angry with everyone. I reached out for him, found his hands in the darkness, and pulled myself closer to him. His arms encircled me, cradling me to his chest. My lips searched, hunting along his throat, to his chine, till I finally found his lips.

Let me interrupt this before it turns into porn. Edward just organized Bella to be, essentially, kidnapped and held against her will in the Cullen house while he wasn't in town. In order to hang out with her friend, she had to run away from school. What.

So they continue to roll around the bed, kissing each other and touching each other and...this sounds like foreplay, right? It basically is, so when Bella asks Edward if they can get "carried away," he refuses.

  • He sighed again. "For the hundredth time, Bella--it's too dangerous."

Ah, that's right. You aren't married aren't a vampire and you're about to have sex. It's simply too dangerous

This is bollocks, guys. Just so you know: You can have sex before marriage and you will not die. Anyone who tells you that is a moron and is, simply, wrong. 

But I have to give credit where credit is due. It's only fair:

  • "I go a little berserk when I try to leave you. I don't think I'll go so far again. It's not worth it."

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Really?

  • "I'm sorry I had Alice hold you hostage, though. That was a bad idea."

Yes. Yes it was. Are you actually apologizing?

  • "I won't do it again."

Well, shit. Bravo, Edward/Stephenie Meyer. This is incredibly mature and kind of an awesome thing to do. For once, you're not justifying this behavior at all. I'm impressed!

  • "Okay," I said easily. He was already forgiven. "But slumber parties do have their advantages..." I curled myself closer to him, pressing my lips into the indentation over his collarbone. "You can hold me hostage any time you want."

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT.


Posted on 11/13/2009 6:04 PM Visits: 4,166
I Killed Sirius Black: 11/13/2009 6:13 PM
The imprinting thing is so disturbing. Your head is going to explode in Breaking Dawn. I'm trying not to give any spoilers but... ugh. I never want to see that book again.
clndstn: 11/13/2009 6:25 PM
The imprinting thing is so disturbing. Your head is going to explode in Breaking Dawn. I'm trying not to give any spoilers but... ugh. I never want to see that book again.

HOLY CRAP IT WILL. I cannot wait for that review.
Multiplicitous: 11/13/2009 7:12 PM
Sorry, I'm still vomiting mentally over Rosalie's rape story. Plus, I'd heard about the pedo-imprinting before. Goddammit, SMeyer. I just have to wonder why. You know? Like, why a two-year-old? And why, WHY is it so one-sided? As failful as Edward/Bella is, at least its whole ~fated to be~ angle makes Bella an active player in her own destiny. If you're just making this shit up as you go along, why not just say that, IDK, werewolves emanate certain psychic wavelengths and that if a girl's matches his they imprint on each other? Isn't that technically more romantic? (As romantic as a relationship with a 2-year-old can be)
skjaere: 11/13/2009 7:13 PM
Imprinting sounds like something straight out of bad fanfic, designed to make to characters get together when there is no earthly reason why they would. It's lazy writing, and yeah, in this case, it's really creepy. But it sounds to me like the guys are just as "brain raped" as the girls are, since they don't get a choice about whom they imprint on. Isn't there some belief in Mormonism that, before you're born, you pick your family and your mate in heaven? "We chose one another; we just don't remember it." It's all too creepy for me.
jdhadrummer: 11/13/2009 7:32 PM
Wow. Towards the end, when Edward was apologizing, I was like "Wait. Is this actually happening? He's not being a complete asshole?!" I was so proud. But then, Bella just HAD to say that. I facepalmed. Hard. >.
rinlockhart: 11/13/2009 7:33 PM
I just don't get Meyer's logic towards imprinting. It just makes me hate/fear her more.
"Okay," I said easily. He was already forgiven. "But slumber parties do have their advantages..." I curled myself closer to him, pressing my lips into the indentation over his collarbone. "You can hold me hostage any time you want."

Okay, allow me to rage again:

THAT IS LIKE A WOMAN SAYING TO A GUY (GENERALLY A MALE CELEBRITY) "YOU CAN RAPE ME ANYTIME YOU WANT."

IT'S NOT FUNNY, IT'S NOT CUTE, IT'S NOT ROMANTIC. IT'S JUST...FUCKING FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHY DO I HAVE TO FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS WHY THE FUCKING FUCK TO PEOPLE READ THIS SHIT AND THEN DECIDE THERE IS SOMETHING EPICALLY WONDERFUL AND ROMANTIC ABOUT THIS RELATIONSHIP?! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK.
fromthisgirl: 11/13/2009 7:40 PM
I remember reading an interview where Meyer was asked what was up with the imprinting-on-a-toddler thing, and she said she thought it was funny, because it was like, "Whoa, imprinting is so random, and out of control!" ... but she thought it was FUNNY! WHY WOULD THAT BE FUNNY? I don't get it. Funny would have been if Quil had always hated this one girl in class because she was mean, but then imprinting caused him to fall for her, and now he's like "Aww crap" and the werewolves are like, "lol forever". Imprinting on a two year-old, however? STILL NOT FUNNY.
hchano: 11/13/2009 7:41 PM
The whole imprinting thing is sort of obligatory with
werewolf storylines, so it wasn't so mindblowing
when I read about it here... just the age thing.

Really though, she does make it seem like the girls
have no choice in the matter. Where most girls would
be a little put off by persistent guys, the chicks in this
series all seem to welcome it. I can't remember how
much they described about Sam and Emily by this
point in the books but I was really annoyed about
how that came around [what with him having a gf
at the time].
leeness: 11/13/2009 7:44 PM
Yeah... Breaking Dawn takes imprinting and brings it from "what the fuck" to "OH MY GOD DID I JUST READ THAT ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!"

I don't really have much extra input on this chapter. Except, yeah, I loooooove the whole "Well, the woman has a choice, but she's a stupid bitch if she refuses".

It's also, if imprinting on a baby is something that happens often, pretty much child grooming. You raise the baby girl to be your bride. Lovely.

I love how Smeyer is "all about choice and the power to choose", yet none of her characters ever get to do that, ever. Even Bella is all "I had no choice but to looooove Edward!"
skjaere: 11/13/2009 7:50 PM
she thought it was FUNNY! WHY WOULD THAT BE FUNNY? I don't get it. Funny would have been if Quil had always hated this one girl in class because she was mean, but then imprinting caused him to fall for her, and now he's like "Aww crap" and the werewolves are like, "lol forever".

Nah. Funny would be imprinting on his friend's grandmother, and constantly making her tea or something.
Viva La Sam(antha): 11/13/2009 8:04 PM
c'mon guys.. it's totally normal to be in love with a 2 year old..*sarcasm*.... don't the fanatic polygamist mormon sects often marry off 8 year olds?
Blair Waldorf: 11/13/2009 8:34 PM
God. I've seen even some fans of Twilight admit that this is stupid. However, the most insane fans think this is romantic.

Let me tell you about imprinting.
Imprinting is made to carry on the werewolf gene. Quil imprinting on a two-year-old is pedophilia, because he is having sexual thoughts about a two-year-old.
And I just threw up writing that.
Blair Waldorf: 11/13/2009 8:40 PM
Wow. That scene is like porn that got cut off due to a blackout.
Regina❤: 11/13/2009 9:08 PM
*vomits*
This is fucking shit.
UGH.

And the whole "you can hold me hostage" line.
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